The
parallel between your life and Lucinda's is unmistakable. You
lived in New York for many years and once worked at a fashion
magazine. Then you moved to Nebraska. At what stage in your
own move did the novel idea come into play? How much of your
real-life experience influenced the book?
MD:
I'd
been in Nebraska for well over a year before I started the novel.
I remember the day I actually began writing. There were several
inches of snow on the ground and it was the coldest winter anyone
had seen in years. I'd been thinking a lot about a phenomenon
called prairie madness, which was a kind of mental illness that
afflicted many of the early settlers to the region, particularly
those who came from the east during the Homestead Act of 1863.
It was believed that the combination of isolation on the plains
and, moreover, the incessant shrieking wind literally drove people
insane. It seemed to affect women in particular, many of whom
had come from the east, usually at the behest of their husbands,
and were used to more refined conditions and larger communities.
The deal with the Homestead Act was that families were given
160-acre plots of land, which they could own outright if they
managed to farm it and live on it for five years. The act had
been sold to easterners as a quality of life issue. There are
propaganda posters from that time that show pictures of a barren
patch of land magically transforming into a thriving farm with
a well-appointed house and a picket fence. Of course it wasn't
nearly that simple (this terrain proved more brutal than they
ever could have imagined, and lets not forget that the Native
Americans didn't exactly see this land as up for grabs) and many
of the homesteaders just gave up and went home.
Since
I was living at the time in a very small house out in the country
(literally a little house on the prairie) I started thinking
about how prairie madness might affect a contemporary person.
It seemed to me that the notion of "quality of life" continues
to be tied up in the concept of the journey west. So I created
Lucinda as a sort of vessel for these ideas. And while many of
the specifics of her story are different from my own experience,
her internal life (her theories and half-baked philosophies and
struggles with finding a place for herself in the world) were
quite similar to my own. As for the parallels between our New
York lives, I'm glad to say that my experiences in magazine publishing
in New York weren't quite as dysfunctional as Lucinda's television
job experiences.
Lucinda
seems to possess a warm disdain for the canons typically covered
in a women's book club. If you could choose three novels to
impose on your average middle-American reading group, what
would they be?
MD:
Lucinda's
disdain for book club culture is more vehement than my own. I
happened to belong to a book club in Lincoln. It was a real
lifeline for me and was nothing like the one in The Quality
of Life Report . But I'm not sure I'd be comfortable imposing
specific titles on any group of readers. What I wish more book
clubs would do is select titles that the individuals in the group
actually want to read, rather than those that, for sometimes
mysterious reasons, become culturally sanctioned as "book
club material." Reading is about as individual an experience
as anything can get, which is why I'm wary of the one-size-fits-all
approach that is reflected in the "One Book, One City" movement
that has swept the nation in recent years. Suggesting that an
entire town or city read a particular book seems counterintuitive
to the whole purpose and pleasure of reading. I think most people
should try to read Ulysses (preferably with a knowledgeable instructor
or at least a breathing coach), but beyond that I suppose I'd
like to see book clubs in which people just got together and
talked about whatever book they happened to be reading on their
own. It seems that might lead to more interesting discussions
than people sitting around and apologizing that they're only
on page 400 of The Corrections , although that's a novel I enjoyed
immensely and for which I have a great deal of admiration.
Would
Lucinda have made the big decision to move to Prairie City
without Sue as her initial tour guide?
MD:
Probably
not. In the beginning of the novel, Lucinda is a person who is
utterly terrified of living in a world that does not offer some
degree of what she perceives as "hipness." In her naïveté and
myopia, she takes Sue for some kind of cultural renegade, not
least of all because she's a gay woman living in rural America,
a combination Lucinda never fathomed before. Much of the satire
in the book revolves around the degree to which Lucinda and her
cohorts in New York have things backward; for instance, they
associate being gay with somehow being cool and, by extension,
being cool with being urban. This is a gross form of stereotyping
and its own kind of homophobia. So Lucinda's come-uppance has
in part to do with her realization that Sue is a person with
pretty ordinary middle-class values. If she had been a married
housewife, it's unlikely that Lucinda would have initially found
her so glamorous. That's a harsh thing to say about a character
you've created, particularly your narrator, but, in the beginning,
Lucinda is about as provincial as it gets. The twist is that
it's only by coming to "the provinces" that she achieves
a truer sophistication, a sophistication of authenticity, which
is something Sue had all along.
How
deliberate were your choices for character names? Trout seems
to refer to the fish-out-of-water theme and Mason Clay constructs
an image of a man who works with his hands mixed with a figure
that can be molded to taste. Or is sometimes a name just a
name?
MD:
I
wanted my narrator to have a name that was both unique and commanded
some degree of authority, a name with hard consonants in it.
Trout does refer to a fish out of water but I was also thinking
in terms of the idea of swimming upstream. Lucinda is very good
at making things harder for herself than they necessarily need
to be. Mason Clay just seemed like an appealing name. If I saw
that name written down somewhere I'd want to meet the person
behind it. I'm actually obsessed with names. I have a secret
hobby of reading the phone book and looking at all the names
and imaging who they belong to. One of my favorite things about
writing fiction is the ability to invent names. It seems to me
that great heroines in literature almost always have memorable
and even imposing names, like Anna Karenina, Emma Bovary, and
Cather's Antonia Shimerda, which has to be the best name of all
time.
What
is the one thing that Lucinda misses the most about New York?
What is the one thing you miss the most?
MD:
Lucinda
misses her friends Daphne and Elena. I miss the food in New York.
Every time I order a salad and end up with a chilled plate of
iceberg lettuce and shaved carrots I want to get on the next
plane to LaGuardia (not to eat at LaGuardia, of course, but at
least they have a Nathan's franks.)
The
novel in many ways works as a love triangle with a man and
a place vying for Trout's affection. What is it about the barn
and Prairie City that Lucinda cannot live without? Do you think
it's possible for someone to feel the same kind of love for
a tiny apartment on the Upper West Side?
MD:
Much
of Lucinda's love for the prairie comes out of the fact that
she romanticized it for a long time before she actually got there.
She had an image of it that was inevitably going to be, if not
shattered, at least dramatically altered. So her love for the
farm takes on a desperate quality in that she feels that if she
stops loving it she will be a failure. The interesting thing
is that for much of the book her love for the land is more contrived
than it is completely genuine. It's only when she becomes of
the land (she starts making the mistakes that lead to her maturity,
she develops prairie madness and survives) that the love becomes
authentic. And you can absolutely have that kind of love for
the Upper West Side of Manhattan. In fact, it's probably more
common. Lucinda doesn't express that so much, but, as I talk
about in my first book, My Misspent Youth, I romanticized New
York City in a very profound and ultimately destructive way.
I still have a very strong affection for both New York and the
prairie, but now it's tempered by the experience of having lived
for a number of years in both places. In a way it's a more mature,
deeper kind of love.
You
are currently working on the screenplay to your novel. What
is the biggest challenge in adapting this story and character
to a visual medium?
MD:
Writing
the screenplay was a greater pleasure than I ever could have
imagined. Obviously, the novel has a lot of characters, and,
sadly, many of them had to be eliminated in the interest of writing
a movie that wouldn't necessarily be five hours long. So there
were some Sophie's Choice moments with some of the townspeople
of Prairie City. But I think that the story and, moreover, the
essence and tone of the novel are very much intact in the script
and I feel tremendously lucky to have been able to write it.
Besides
the screenplay, are you working on any other writing projects?
MD:
I
spend most of my waking hours messing around in my head with
a set of characters who I think will populate a new novel. The
way I generally write is that I mull the idea over and over again
in my mind until it's time to start writing it. Then I write
nonstop for months. That writing period is a time I both yearn
for and dread, because it's a bit akin to hysteria, but I think
it may be approaching. I'd better warn my friends now.
After
almost four years in Nebraska, you now live in Los Angeles. Have
you given up the idea of the "simple life"?
Not
at all. As perverse as it may sound, I find Los Angeles to be
more like Nebraska than it is like New York. Unlike in Manhattan,
life in southern California is a truly American existence --
you drive, you listen to a lot of talk radio, you obsess about
your house. These are all things I enjoy, though I do miss the
midwest a lot. I made two attempts to buy farms in Nebraska and
one of these days I hope to succeed. For now, I actually live
in a farmhouse in a very urban area of L.A. For me, this is a
perfect dichotomy. Nebraska is still very much a part of my recent
history and identity. Every time I see a car with a Nebraska
license plate driving around in L.A., I honk my horn. I've only
been flipped off a few times.